Ian Balina is someone who lost 2.5
million dollars while live-streaming on YouTube and he’s my guest today he’s one
of the most controversial personalities in the cryptocurrency field and the
community as a whole and today whether you love him or you hate him my goal
with this interview is to get as much as I can out of Ian to understand who he
really is his journey from Uganda to the US why he left his secure job at IBM as
a data analyst to go full on into cryptocurrencies and ICOs in
particular which is something that I personally considered to be super risky… how he made his millions, how he lost 2.5 million dollars and how he kept his cool
and what what keeps him going moving forward after all of us happening to him
and after all the cryptocurrency community really going after him so we
talked about his upcoming project token metrics we talked about how his team are
using AI and machine learning to create investment strategies for top tokens and
if they’re just using these as buzzwords I’m going to actually ask him this I
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hi to Ian! so for those of you who don’t really
you’re famous for a bunch of things alright in the cryptocurrency field and
people know your name can you tell us a little bit about your backstory like
where did you come from how did you get to where you are today
yeah so I was born in Kampala Uganda I was a kid and then early on when I was
two my parents moved to the UK then when I was eight move to America and I’ve
been America for the last 20-something years
alright now you get your age away okay that’s cool cool yeah so uh I mean I’m
not for being very very transparent you know sometimes almost to the thought
but my background is as an engineer as a computer engineer
Oh high five me too after graduate school went to work at Deloitte
Consulting as an IT consultant then was there briefly then crossed over and went
to IBM and I work in IBM for four years my first three years also technical
sales engineer and the IBM analytics brand covering products like IBM Watson
SPSS and and such and then my last year I was IBM executive for open source
analytics covering all of North America so hope I am very cool and I worked in
data right data was my passion I love data I haven’t got featured in The Wall
Street Journal for using IBM Watson analytics to predict my March Madness
bracket so wait so you said I was they don’t was my pageant is data steal your
passion because data is still pretty big okay that’s good I’ll fix that data is
still my passion okay so I got involved in crypto around 2016 a friend of mine
came to me and said hey Ian I the IBM is doing lots of big things in
the blockchain space I’d like to meet the IBM director for blockchain and
asked him why do you care about this right and he told me that he was a
Bitcoin developer he was launching a crypto fund and that really got like my
attention because he was my late 20s launching a hedge fund I didn’t know
anybody that aged watching a hedge fund yes she won for Bitcoin and crypto so
they got my attention because before that I thought cryptic cryptocurrencies
were just for Silk Road and bad actors people doing bad things I had no idea
you could actually invest in and speculate in cryptocurrencies so as
somebody who was already invested in the market I had a very high appetite for
risk I was the entrepreneur I had dabbled in
penny stocks so when he was when he told me he was making two to three hundred
percent excuse me from just huddling Bitcoin and etherium and his random
currencies it told me you know I have to try this out
so come went and joined coinbase I put a hundred dollars into Bitcoin later I was
into a theorem then I said okay now I want a fraction a piece of something let
me educate myself about this so I humped on Amazon and found the two best books I
could find digital gold and the age of the crime scene oh yeah actually he was
a ho he was a guest who was one of the first guests and around the block is one
of my good friends awesome book for sure yes there it is two books they made me a
believer after those two books I was all-in on crypto I put my money into
crypto so January around I would say January February 2017 I kind of went
all-in for me at that time I began dollar cost averaging into crypto I put
in about I think couple grand into etherium and Bitcoin but at that time I
put in I think was about twenty five hundred dollars into aetherium
then a theorem announced a theory enterprise Elias where they’re working
with companies like Citibank Microsoft JP Morgan and the etherion price doubled
in a week and a half so I doubled my money in a week and a
half and that was at that time the fastest this is this is the beginning of
the bubble basically yes yeah the beginning of the bubble and I said guys
you know what sell everything go all-in and I began really becoming obsessed
with crypto I was working my magnified job then from 6:00 to midnight and
beyond I was doing krypter krypter investing trading research I went to my
first crypto can I see conference that was talking summit that was spraying
2017 for the first time I met people in the crypto space in real life because
before then I’ll just just researching that words yet personally meeting people
in person really any bigger believer because these people were smart they’re
credible they weren’t just people from Silk Road so the big thing I took away
from that conference where I cos I see investing all the crypto millionaires I
met maybe money from ICM blessing at that conference yeah thorium ICL made
safe ICO I said okay you know what maybe I should stop trading maybe you have to
check into this ICO thing so after the conference I began investing in almost
any ICO that could walk to a point where I bien I made some money but not as much
money as I would like as my goal was to quit my job that year within 12 months
was to combine IBM and become fully self-employed to have financial freedom
so let me put some notes here by the way so first of all 2016 that is pretty late
for majority of the faces that we’ve seen critique racy but that evident was
intently is also the year that I got involved in cryptocurrency cuz just like
you from back in 2011 my friends were telling me about crypto it was like this
is too shady I don’t want to get involved it was until 2016 that I got
involved and then I became obsessed just like he asked me as it as it grew bigger
and more people got involved and it’s so interesting that just like you the first
time I went or cryptic conference that is when I was like oh my god this is
this is it this is like the people here exactly just what
I was like people here are actually legit these are scientists these are
people who are educated or backing it so I just wanted to that he is like going
to a cryptic conference really makes the day and night but here you said that you
got involved into ice Neos so that to me is still I mean right at the beginning
maybe I see those were fine but now I see oh they’re like ah kind of risky so
how did that go for you so initially I mean I was investing you
know the first one or two months I admitted him was every I see I could
find any I see I thought was good at that time and that was making money but
my goal was to retire right to basically quit my job by the end of the year so I
was looking for big home runs and they weren’t really coming then I said you
know what there has to be a better way right I worked with data and I said you
know what let me look at the ICO data so over the course of one or two weeks and
gathered as much I see your data as I could find on all the projects out there
then really try to find patterns in the data what data were you looking at so
both qualitative and quantitative data points names I’ll go through and see how
much money they raised the total tokens took him supply but I also go through
and grade the teams and say okay we’ll just a solid team what are the factors
were really helping these products perform well and I just try to get as
much data as possible put everything into a spreadsheet
online on Google sheets and after a while I said you know what I’m seeing
patterns in his eye cos the ones that perform well I’m seeing a common pattern
right and at a high level the common patterns were they had solid teams they
had a product right don’t just one what just one wipe it wasn’t just a white
paper it was an actual product then also the total token supply and they were
very very modest very very humble right you weren’t raising too much money they
weren’t putting out way too many tokens so I basically used a three sigma ruin
stats just kind of see okay what does the average good ICEA look like and I
look look at every single data point then I’ll then take that and great
upcoming icos and see how far they would deviate from
each data and for those deviate from the mean of
what of what’s expected of a good Nicaea and in August I I also had a channel
right at that time I was very small channel under five hundred people are
following me I yeah I was just a channel well just share my my experiences being
an entrepreneur in the business world working as a freelancer and such I began
making content on Bitcoin and crypto made for beginners that kind of was my
best video at that time I got about five thousand views then after the conference
I made a video on ICS for beginners and that’s kind of what made me kind of go
famous in the crypto world that video ended up going viral and had over
400,000 views on YouTube alone and that kind of put me there and the map that
got me to five then eventually ten thousand hours on YouTube and I also
began doing live streams so I had to live streams every single week one was
the AMA with my audience about crypto and the other was just me doing ICA
research I would just press record and for two two three sometimes even four
hours live I would just research ICS while showing showing how to score and
make these products in my spreadsheet so in August I think ended up scoring
different ICS and I mean this they made like a list of my top ICS at that time
and the top ideas were ZRX which is zero zero X project and dnt and district Alex
project and when they came out those ICS 0 X data 10x the first month and the NT
did like a 24x meaning that $1000 turn to $24,000 and that kind of made me go
even more viral they’re saying who’s this crazy guy live-streaming with this
crazy spreadsheet well you weren’t just scared that you’re doing basically
everything live and people can see your information and what were you worried
careful and I know I’m kind of touching I’m leading you towards the next thing
but I mean I wasn’t really scared cause to me out
trying to be very transparent cuz when I joined his face there was no
transparency people would hide behind avatars masks know who you’re dealing
with I was very very transparent told people
of my full-name where I work I’m still working at IBM my role they knew I did
anything that could call my boss and say hey this guy are you the reason why
because IBM is now very big on blockchain and actually I interviewed a
new team from IBM as well as well and even the blog so there are you the
reason why they’re interested I think there has been probed blockchain way
before me right so I can’t I can’t take credit for that but anyway I just kind
of long story short I began regularly reviewing projects and in my spreadsheet
I’ll track my investments I would track how much money I put in the return and
then I also I also open sourced my spreadsheet to the whole world right so
the whole whole world could see how I would rate projects how much money I was
making and I was publicly keeping track of everything kind of like a journal so
people saw me build my portfolio from initially twenty thousand then all the
way to the ICO mania end up going to five million dollars so they saw my top
takes investments like icon Wahby dragon chain so December 2017 is
probably the month where I really I guess blew up in the crypto world
because well Bitcoin was going up in it but everybody was making money the
performances were getting from just IC on by Sting and the success rate we had
wasn’t really seen into space because before on average four out of five IC
investments would you would lose money on yeah using at that time we were
making money on four out of five of each IC we invested in and in December we got
three I cos in the same month then had over eighty X returns so you’re saying
we is it but this time had you joined a hedge fund or was it just years so it’s
me but I say we just kind of me in my community yeah community different
played a big role right so during the live streams they’ll bring projects to
to me too look at an and scroll alive and some
batsman’s that will a big like icon and one and marching they came from the
community right the community would say okay take a look at this project right
so I always like to kind of think that they also played a factor
yeah that’s amazing that you give them credit
all right so okay so tell us tell us about that that that story that
everybody’s burning too and I know like you’ve talked about it over and over
again yes the spreadsheet it kind of goes back to the spreadsheet so on a
live stream one time this was this is in 2018 I came back from South America had
a live stream and I ended up getting hacked live on the live stream right and
this is now kind of all over the news and stuff but yeah I mean it was
definitely not cool but the thing is you kept your cool like you you literally
people saw you live and you first you were not even paying attention to the
light like people were commenting hey did you just notice like two million
dollars just vanished out of your account you’re like what does Lucy they
don’t pay attention right that’s initially I just thought it was somebody
trolling me yeah so I just ignored it but when I couldn’t log into my
spreadsheet as I was live streaming I knew something fishy was going on so I
am ruptal Enda the live stream and then checked right and then that’s when I
enough said okay yeah so we need to actually did hack me see you think it
had to do anything with you live streaming everything you’re doing
because you were on the map you were a target no I mean yes I was a public
figure but in that live stream I think what what really triggered them to kind
of do that cuz I did get some warnings earlier from some of the projects that
hackers were going through investor networks and they thought that came into
our network and we’re trying to hack people in our network so they were
really tracking me and other investors for a while right there then basically
already hacked us and we were just waiting for the right time to pull the
trigger so in that live stream that’s the last you know I said that I would
stop making everything I was doing so public
I was going to kind of go more private all right I think what’s this so they’re
like this is their last chance they yes I think what I said that’s when they
pulled the trigger on that oh all right so 2.5 million dollars that’s a ton of
money I’m first I mean I cannot even put myself in your shoes because I feel like
if that had happened to me I probably just freeze another like I wouldn’t be
even even even able to move so what what were the thoughts in your head and have
you know being able to recover and what do you most importantly recommend to
other people in the cryptocurrency industry yeah I mean so when it happened
it was definitely a big kind of gut blow and she was a gut wrenching I would say
my reaction to it was just sucks right I mean but at the end of the day right
that’s the I kind of have to handle the cards I was dealt
right I was public I was kind of out there in myself at Target right so and
people had won me about this happening right so I basically took responsibility
for the actions I I had done right and then I also wasn’t really secure with my
security right there are definitely other ways for me to be more secure with
storing my crypt oh right I was really just kind of lying for the most
convenient way but now right so it is sucks because so I try to be as
transparent as possible as well so I go live every Tuesday and I’m probably good
make myself a target but it’s just within my community I don’t go on
YouTube is with my community with my inner circle people but I share
everything like they see my email address everything and I just teach I
show them exactly what I’m doing and it’s not only creeps out of socks and I
showed them everything and I just you want to trust because you want to be
transparent and you want to trust that everybody’s watching you like you want
to see the good in the world until damn something happens or like ah I can’t see
the good in the world anymore so it has that changed this perspective
for you at all yes yeah I mean for the last year I’ve kind of been more
reserved I’m not so out there I have fun with my peeps some people thank them
I’ve kind of I guess gone missing or just not really creating content
yeah I we when I found you that’s been busy building right because for me the
biggest thing wasn’t really the money and people find out crazy because for me
I knew I had learned his skill right so I knew okay yes it hurts and sucks that
I lost this money but I still have the skill with me for the rest of my life
right so you can build it again over and over again from scratch cuz it’s kind of
like building a house right if you’re a house builder and you’ve learned that
skill if a hurricane comes and builds your hat and blows your house away yes
that sucks but you can already build in your house right
what would suck even more is if you lost that skill right no that’s that’s a
great perspective I you have time on your side cuz your yacht alright class I
also thought man descriptor market is gonna keep on going up enough enough
right so cuz I admit the money’s so fast I thought I could make it back again as
fast right so I did end up recovering a small fraction of the money but not
everything right just a small fraction of the money like we’re still having to
hit that now it feels like at the beginning was just this fast bubble that
kind of burst now we’re building a foundation so people who are now getting
again the future for them is probably even bigger what do you think yeah I
mean that the future is definitely huge right looking at the world you can make
you can no make firm says that they project Bitcoin or rather tokenized
assets the market cap to equal ten percent of the global GDP by 2027 that
amounts to about nine trillion dollars right and then the Royal Bank of
Canada’s expects crypto market as a whole to become about ten trillion
dollars and right now we’re about at about two hundred twenty five billion
dollars so that means it’s current home right now crypto still has room for over
40 X growth right s so it is definitely still lots of potential growth in crypto
so that’s how you keep your cool you go back you do your studies on now you have
a new skill which is how did secure yourself so what are the things
that you’re working on right now you mentioned that you’re building first are
you still working at IBM no so I end up quitting my job in September 2017 an IBM
one photometer crypto I’ve been full-time in crypto for the last two
years no and it’s a regret spare no best thing
I ever did I mean cuz as soon as I quit IBM and went went into crypto a lot more
business opportunities came I was able to go on our crypto world tour in 2018
hosting conferences so we did 35 countries in 12 months hosting events
with my community as not just 1,000 people in Moscow Russia and London and
Amsterdam every continent pretty much except Antarctica so to us that was
really a great way to build that Network meet our community meet our audience I
ended up making even more money just from being full time into crypto because
the opportunities out there and I can take advantage of them right there right
then so you’re originally from Uganda and Krita is actually getting pretty
huge around that area in Africa in general how is it how it doesn’t think
it kind of have you actually gone back there this year for the African luncheon
conference I was there last year as well and it’s very very Pro crypto right
because cz what finance went to Uganda for the last Africa blockchain
conference and that’s what he meant to the President and that’s where they said
hey come into Uganda well welcome you with open arms and
banners opened their first ya gateway in Uganda do you see that as the reason why
it’s so popular in Uganda is because it gives the people power erected to Canton
cryptocurrency gives people the power as opposed to the government or it doesn’t
really have to do with that Uganda I mean I think it’s just it does give them
some economic freedom right but I think kind of like most other parts of the
world most people are using crypto to speculate it’s for them and it’s not
people I met there mainly investors when you have investors then you have those
who are trying to use blockchain forget
blockchain to really whether its remittances sending money abroad and
kind of that’s probably the the biggest use case right now in Africa for for
blockchain right because well being from Iran myself like I see that it’s
interesting because the Iranian government is also kind of like playing
with cryptocurrency and they ban it and they they they say no it’s cool but for
the people to me that that is a power because it gives people the power kind
of outside the government itself because it’s more or less is permission less and
where when governments can be kind of oppressive there can it can give people
the power and that’s way to me that’s kind of interesting but what was I gonna
ask my daughter just woke up started crying sorry I lost the track yeah so
you were saying so you’re now working on projects yes I’m taking what I was doing
with a spreadsheet so at the peak of the crypto mania in January 2018 my
spreadsheet was being accessed was was being viewed by over 1 million unique
people or not so the demand just for the spreadsheet itself was was insane
spreadsheet so it cannot scale so the demand was too much I ended up taking it
down because I kind of saw that work ripped what’s going it cannot sustain
those levels of growth and I could see that the way I SEOs were going there are
eventually going to to crash which is what ended up happening so I took it
down and said ok you know what let me see how I can create something that can
scale to a much much wider audience to millions on noise of people so the last
two years or so I’ve been planning researching and for this year building a
product called cocoa metrics which is taking what I’ve been doing with the
spreadsheet but expanding it not just for I SEOs but providing data-driven
ratings on all tokens and cryptocurrencies out there even though
it’s already trading live on exchanges so right now we’re planning to launch
that this month know if anybody goes to talking metrics calm Tok en m ET r ICS alright let me
actually brought it up over here we’re doing a limited launch to just 2,000
people so if you sign up there will send up the information and the idea is for
us to really so we’re bringing in human capital and experience so me myself from
IBM and my not gonna in data that’s it we’ve also had people from snacks
JPMorgan to come in and help us research and due diligence on products from
technical analysis to the technology and code reviews to analysis everything to
really provide something that can help investors with due diligence in terms of
asking hey is this project legit or not I just asked a mana so here is a
cryptocurrency investing but you mentioned that you’re mainly speculating
so what is the time frame that you trade is it mainly like day trading or do you
hold as well I mean so I don’t trade I saw I’m over I would say my time frame
it’s probably 3 – anywhere from three months to a few years
okay long term investor anyway so are you taking profit right now are you just
building up at the current prices I cashed out some time back so right right
now just kind of been investing into building took your metrics but I think
now is really your time to kind of start buying in I have bought some Bitcoin
here and there but we’re talking metrics we’re trying to bring human capital and
the data and we’re to taking this to the next level by bringing in machine
learning so using machine learning deep machine
learning and your networks not getting too technical but basically AI to help
raid cryptocurrencies based on all the data points we have and back test it and
see okay how lay how accurate is this model and can this help us make more
money where do you get the data I mean so the thing is machine learning
AI are some words that some people just throw out very lightly these are like as
a buzz word so how do you we were getting a little bit technical
but first of all where do you get the data and how are you building the like
are you are you partnering up with data companies and the I companies or are you
building everything from scratch on your own how deep do you get with this very
very deep so that’s right so we we do take all that we have both qualitative
and quantitative data points so far I’m aware monetary of data points is data
like from corn market cap from other api’s but then the qualitative data
points we have is the human capital right having our team of analysts myself
investors from Goldman Sachs JP Morgan come in and actually go through and
manually rate these products and score them on actual higher goldman sachs for
this what you pay them yes yeah so we have actually people on our team the
staff that goes through and looks at and manually scores every single
cryptocurrency as well then we bring we tie those two together with the other
data points from Karnataka and other api’s then we ingest that into the AI
and have it learned I’m so having both the human and the AI element so I mean
that for me is pretty interesting I’m gonna bring that one of your competitors
because I like to trigger things so have you heard a quick briefing symmetry yes
I have yes so what do you think of those are them I’m not sure I don’t think
they’re using machine memory not no but they are doing a lot of that they’re
mainly basing it on human capital and analyzing it for us kind of like my
spaceship known for we’re going to be very very transparent and actually show
people how accurate our meetings are so for example for the last three months we
can say I’ve Bitcoin 30-day price prediction models was 90 percent
accurate for the last 30 days and 80 percent accurate for the last two months
and any one person accurate for the last three months
what happens if everybody uses your point that can be back and shift the
markets yes well I mean we think would kind of solve that right so the
spreadsheet I had was shifting markets but with this this is going to be right
now we’re doing a limited launch right that’s right it is constrained
and it’s also a premium product and so not everybody can use it only people
with the money can come in treat here all right so to have info on Bitcoin is
free but if you’d like to have info for the top 20 top 100 and even
cryptocurrencies outside the top 100 market cap yes then there this is a
premium plan so you have basically a lot of information about we can basically
safe to say almost every cryptocurrency there are 2000 of them ok and so what do
you see 5 years from now 10 years from now do you still think we’re gonna have
100 cryptocurrencies or do you think they’re gonna vanish we’re gonna have a
handful of like 5 to 10 cryptocurrencies out there that are actually still
surviving and I think will happen even more I think we’ll have we’re not
getting any any fewer crises at the moment why why would there be more
cryptic currencies because humans are very very creative and there is
finalized to innovate and do other things kind of like in regular equities
markets right right but unencrypted currency if you go but there are like 5
categories for the blockchain I understand like thirst so there’s so
many different use cases for blockchain you can go from agriculture to medicine
to taxes so you can use block super almost anything but critic race is a
critical is a currency that you can either use it to pay fast or you can use
it to as a store of value like Bitcoin how many more use cases for
cryptocurrency can you find what do you need isn’t it right I mean in terms of
what I think is actually useful right definitely for you I think in the future
kind of like now only about 1% will actually be useful but I think for the
other 99% for the longtail locator to very specific niches of thanks right
kind of like with credit card loyalty points right there are so many credit
cards companies out there but there is issue in your cards for anything – or
anybody with a community may want to create their own cryptocurrency just for
that community so I think there always be infinite amount of cryptocurrencies
focus purely on the longtail kind of like with websites and the Internet the
internet is really what has changed the entire world because it caters on the
longtail anybody in the world no matter how small your idea is you can find
other people around the world who also like that idea right being able to
connect people with a long tail and make it scale so I’m out of old is 100 top
100 you mention Bitcoin a bunch of times but what is your big cap favorite most
favorite big cap cryptocurrency and your most favorite kind of venture capitalist
up-and-coming cryptocurrency most favorite I mean so I don’t really have
favorite so I just go with the data I’m kind of it all right so what is what are
your I’m trying to get the information for free out here who are your data
suggests okay I mean I’m gonna see if I can excellent roll it up in terms of
what we like so n / – Bitcoin is king the king is still king
looking looking at all the data points combined right so the fundamentals the
technical analysis the technology the machine learning everything combined in
terms of the best French is out there obviously not financial device we like
Bitcoin if Tyrael – finance & Kosmos oh you like cosmos Oh that has not been on
my list why why cosmos I mean cosmos the fundamentals are good the technology is
very very very good now all these father mentioned are for
this particular point in time right this is just factors in technical analysis so
these are not for a long term you’re not particularly suggesting that these are
the ones that you want to hold for like 10 years these are the stuff they’re
working right now well they work right now but what’s the thing that work
long-term however with us you take a active portfolio management management
approach meaning that something can be good but you may not have to hold it
forever right kind of like Bitcoin is a Bitcoin bitcoin is the best-cooked
currency out there but it makes no sense to hold Bitcoin when he went down from
$19,000 all the way down to $3,000 right our strategy is
to sell the top wait for it to bottom back down and then buy back him so do
you really think that your machine learning is going to help you really
score the bottom on the top absolutely absolutely
like I mean cuz this is not news right last year in 2018 Bitcoin was down to
70% while quant funds according to PwC were up to 8% so even in a bear market
quants made money the meaning that fun scripta funds that leverage machine
learning stats algorithmic trading still made money because they’re able to
mitigate their risk right sure we can be perfect with timing the top and the
bottom but the goal isn’t to be perfect it goes to maybe be 80% right right so
maybe you see Bitcoin coming down and G from 19,000 and you get out at 16,000
and buy by K at 6,000 that’s to say to your money right so
that’s that’s really the goal and eventually when the process of applying
to become a sec licensed investment advisor so once that happens we can
really help people and give them better advice and turn this into a global
advisor so something like a vanguard like a better mentor wealthfront and
really do the trading and portfolio management for people ourselves on the
platform so that’s something we’re actively working towards becoming so
John McAfee is famous for saying that mathematically his mathematical system
suggests that bitcoin is gain to 1 million by the end of 2020 does your
mathematical and the AI machines suggest the same thing we’re now predicting out
to 2023 only thanks for a month anything is possible
I think it’s possible but yeah Armada has not predicted that far yet but maybe
you down the road and while I have you here because a lot of my ideas are super
Cardona fans what do you think of them feel free to trash them if you want to
we don’t there’s not like I’m affiliated or anything is in our top 10 right now
in this particular point in time in terms of cryptocurrencies the
fundamentals all right they could be better but it’s
it’s better than most the technology is definitely a solid we think right
compute in terms of all the cryptocurrencies we’ve looked at in the
top 100 candana has the fourth best technology score all right I’m glad to
hear that because I’m actually a card I’m a fan okay that was super awesome
thank you so much for taking the time I know you’re super busy like launching
something brand new entrepreneurs it’s super cotton time-consuming
I appreciate your transparency I appreciate you being here and helping
the community and helping our community really learn oh but more just a tiny bit
more even if it was even even if it’s helped 10 people I would really that
would be success for me and I’m sure though he success for you as well
because we’re here to really encourage the community to get involved and learn
more and make money at the end of the day and have better lives so thank you
so much again for joining you guys watching at home go to tokens metric
Stockmann and gets us press but you know when the product is launched it sounds
super exciting and I’m actually gonna subscribe right now as well so I know
what’s up as well again thank you so much Ian you guys watching at home I’ll
see you the next theme on the block